OK a really interesting question was made by Doyle Taverner on the Glorantha Google+ Page about stating out Alone and the shape of trades and services which would be found in a city. he references a post by S John Ross’s at
I thought this was a very interesting methodology but the stats were for a late Medieval Paris and not an ancient Civilization. I thought it could be improved so I have taken a flying hack at something that may be more suited to Doyles needs and come with a methodology that would suit Gloranthan cultures.
Here is my attempt and it is really a discussion peace and I would like feedback to answer the following questions
- Does the methodology work and is it sound?
- Are there any professions I have missed out all together?
- Are there any professions where the proportions are grossly wrong.
I would love some detailed feedback on this, because I doubt its right first time. The methodology I believe will work for all Glorantha societies, but I think the support value table would be significantly different for different cultures.
I have stolen the methodology in original blog post and I think moved it on a bit. Here
- Calculate the entire population that will be served by the main urban centre of the area. In the case of Alone it is the alone confederation of 10,000 people.
- Decide on a the number of shape of the settlements in the area. In case of alone in going to invent the numbers of 1000 people in alone and another 1000 placed in 5 surrounding villages.
- Divide the total population by the Support Value to generate the numbers of different Laymen, Tradesmen and Artisans with all the population. See an example table below.
- Change the numbers to reflect the following factors as you see fit;
- Making a Fun Game
- Assume most laymen will be placed rurally in the clans
- Place what you think is the correct proportion of the tradesman and artisans into the settlements you wish to define right now, for Alone I would place most of the artisans and 40% of the tradesmen. Take into consideration the placement advice.
- Keep a count of the remaining tradesmen and artisans and place them on the fly or as you want to specify the other urban areas, such as the villages.
A clansmen with the skills or equipment to perform a tradesmen’s role within a clan in conjunction with other responsibilities. So a layman potter could very well be a cottar with responsibility for land and sheep, but has knowledge and skills in pot making which serves the clan and sometimes used to make pots for market to supplement income. Many sellers at seasonal markets are laymen bringing their wares too trade.
However he cannot support himself full time as a potter. Thus skill levels tend to be lower than full time professionals
A skilled individuals who support themselves and their family by being employed full time in their profession. Their home is usually there place of business. They can often be approved by their respected guilds in the closest city, and skill levels are usually higher than the laymen.
Tradesmen do not usually employ other people, but may apprentice family members.
These a fully fledged business with multiple staff, and often apprentices. the place of business can be away from the artisans home. Artisans are the major players in any City Guilds.
In theory the quality and skills on offer are better than those of tradesman but this not always the case.
Orlanthi Support Value Table
|Artist/Sculpter/Wood Carver||600||2000||4000||Town from Tradesmen|
|Baker||120||800||1600||Village from Tradesman|
|Barber||200||1000||3200||Town from Tradesmen|
|Basket maker||120||800||2000||Village from Tradesman|
|Bathhouse/Public Bath||1200||6000||Town from Tradesmen|
|Brewer/Beer Seller||120||1200||3600||Village from Tradesman|
|Builder||120||2000||8000||Town from Tradesmen|
|Butcher/Fishmonger||120||600||2000||Village from Tradesman|
|Candle maker||240||800||4000||Village from Tradesman|
|Carter/Haulage||120||1600||4000||Village from Tradesman|
|Cartographer||2000||6000||10000||Small City from Tradesmen|
|Cartwright/Shipwright||1200||4000||8000||Town from Tradesmen|
|Cheese-maker||240||1600||3200||Village from Tradesman|
|Cobbler/Shoemaker||240||1200||3600||Village from Tradesman|
|Distiller||600||3000||5000||Town from Tradesmen|
|Engineer/Architect||4000||8000||Town from Tradesmen|
|Entertainer/Poet/Actor||80||3000||6000||Village from Tradesman|
|Furrier||240||1000||5000||Village from Tradesman|
|General Merchant||300||2400||4800||Village from Tradesman|
|Herbalist||180||1500||3000||Rural or Urban|
|Horse trader||300||3000||6000||Rural or Urban|
|Inn||2000||6000||Village from Tradesman|
|Jeweller/Goldsmith||600||2000||5000||Town from Tradesmen|
|Lawyer/law-speaker||400||3000||6000||Village from Tradesman|
|Leather-worker||120||1400||4000||Village from Tradesman|
|Miller||240||1800||4000||Village from Tradesman|
|Moneylender/Changer||300||3600||7000||Town from Tradesmen|
|Pawnshop||250||2400||5000||Village from Tradesman|
|Physician||180||3000||6000||Town from Tradesmen|
|Potter||120||800||1600||Village from Tradesman|
|Prostitute/Brothel||180||600||3600||Town for Artisan|
|Roofers/Thatchers||240||1500||3000||Rural or Urban|
|Rug/Tapestry Maker||400||2000||6000||Village from Tradesman|
|Saddler||300||1600||4000||Village from Tradesman|
|Sage||300||2500||4000||Village from Tradesman|
|Scribe||240||3000||6000||Village from Tradesman|
|Sharpener||120||4000||Village from Tradesman|
|Slaver||2400||4800||Town from Tradesmen|
|Spice Merchants||4000||8000||Town from Tradesmen|
|Stonemason||300||2000||6000||Village from Tradesman|
|Tailor||180||1600||4000||Village from Tradesman|
|Tanners||180||1400||4000||Village from Tradesman|
|Tavern/Restaurant||1000||2000||Village from Tradesman|
|Tinker/Redsmith||240||1000||3000||Village from Tradesman|
|Vintner/Wine-shop||300||1800||3600||Village from Tradesman|
|Weapon-smith/Armourer||480||3400||7200||Village from Tradesman|
|Weaver/Spinner||120||1200||6000||Village from Artisan|
|Woodworker/Carpenter||120||1200||4000||Village from Tradesman|
If this is applied to a clan of 500 hundred Orlanthi adults we would see the following laymen available to the clan which is approx 21% which seems a good proportion to me.
If applied to all 10,000 Orlanthi in the Alone confederacy it would suggest the following numbers of laymen, tradesmen and artisans available.
Please feel free to comment and feedback as I have said it has been a wild swing at this, but I think it has been useful also.
Edited to let you know I built a toll to take this a step or two further which can be found here